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Post by Canned Thoughts on Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:23 am

I think the politics within Philippine basketball has really hampered our evolution in basketball. The past BAP-SBP row was just an embarrassment and I think that early preparation and international exposure should be a must for the National Team. I am in-favor of the team hiring a foreign coach, especiall one with real International experience, particularly someone who can instill the South American or European style of basketball.

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Post by FloydSteven on Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:58 am

agree ako sa foreign coach. dapat ibahin ang style of play natin. American style of play kasi ang laro natin. more of the one on one isolation plays which lack in teamwork. look at caguioa and helterbrand. minsan puro yabang, showtimes at pasikat nalang dala ng mga Fil-Ams. the same reasons which made team USA fail in international competitions a few years back are somewhat the same reasons making team Pilipinas fail today. USA can make up for that due to their talent and calibre of players pero tayo....sadly we are not team USA.

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Post by acousticevents on Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:06 pm

i think the only way to regain old glory is to have our local players play abroad. we need to develop big men who ar more agile. better if we could have players 6'5'' above but can play the point guard position. yes we have the talents. but there's one thing you cant teach and it's height. we will never win in international competition with a small lineup.

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Post by FloydSteven on Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:39 am

tama ka diyan acousticevents. look at some of our top amateur players today. Jervy Cruz of UST playing center at 6'5". Rabeh Al-Hussaini of Ateneo playing center at 6'6". in international competitions players with those heights play the guard position or up to the small forward position. if we would be sending these guys battling against strong international teams who do not lack height, they would have to play the lower positions to make up for our lack of height. the problem is they do not have the ball handing skills and shooting from outside skills because they were used to playing the center position. two good examples today are KG Canaleta and Kerby Raymundo. in the recent international competitions, Canaleta was forced to play small forward and sometimes even at guard and Raymundo was force to do the same. the result? turnovers! laging naagawan si Canaleta at Kerby. why? because they were used playing center during their amateur days. Canaleta played center for UE for Raymundo center for Letran. they do not have the quickness, ball handling skills and outside shooting. they cant utilize those strengths with their heights. they were programmed to play center and power forward. they cant play the same position in International basketball because they would be against 7 footers. imagine...you're a 6'5" center and let's say your opponet's' center is 7'2". dehadong dehado ka niyan.

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Post by brandon on Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:45 am

FloydSteven wrote:tama ka diyan acousticevents. look at some of our top amateur players today. Jervy Cruz of UST playing center at 6'5". Rabeh Al-Hussaini of Ateneo playing center at 6'6". in international competitions players with those heights play the guard position or up to the small forward position. if we would be sending these guys battling against strong international teams who do not lack height, they would have to play the lower positions to make up for our lack of height. the problem is they do not have the ball handing skills and shooting from outside skills because they were used to playing the center position. two good examples today are KG Canaleta and Kerby Raymundo. in the recent international competitions, Canaleta was forced to play small forward and sometimes even at guard and Raymundo was force to do the same. the result? turnovers! laging naagawan si Canaleta at Kerby. why? because they were used playing center during their amateur days. Canaleta played center for UE for Raymundo center for Letran. they do not have the quickness, ball handling skills and outside shooting. they cant utilize those strengths with their heights. they were programmed to play center and power forward. they cant play the same position in International basketball because they would be against 7 footers. imagine...you're a 6'5" center and let's say your opponet's' center is 7'2". dehadong dehado ka niyan.

im not defending kerby raymundo but napanood mo ba yun iran vs.RP sa tokushima yun qualifying para sa olympics konti lang nakita ko turnover ni kerby dun muntik pa nga sya maging hero kun di lang sa bad calls ng referee na tinawagan ng technical foul bench natin

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Post by FloydSteven on Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:04 am

yes napanood ko. hindi ko sinasabing hindi nila kaya. what im saying is mahihirapan lang sila mag-adapt to play in the lower positions. they're great players they will always find a way to score but it always better when you're comfortable playing the position you're used to.

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Post by acousticevents on Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:02 pm

well, our local players are talented no doubt but the problem is we simply lack big men who are athletic. meaning big men with height over 6'9" plus our point guards are too small and will have a hard time defending taller opponents.

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Post by brandon on Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:56 am

acousticevents wrote:well, our local players are talented no doubt but the problem is we simply lack big men who are athletic. meaning big men with height over 6'9" plus our point guards are too small and will have a hard time defending taller opponents.

i think this coming qua;ifying tournament hindi na tayo kulangin sa height anjan si japet aguilar 6'9 me iba binanggit si dati commish noli eala di ko lang matandaan name but 3 players daw are 6'9 and above sama mo pa jan ang mga reliable veterans natin sila mick penissi and asi taulava

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Post by Canned Thoughts on Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:14 am

Penissi doesn't really offer much for us IMHO. He's big, but he's not mobile and while people will claim he can still spot up and shoot, I highly doubt it.

Asi, is good and can match-up well with the other Asian bigs, but age is fast catching up on him. He's not as fast on his feet and as springy as before. I'd rather have Asi thatn Penissi on the team and save Penissi's spot for a pure shooter we can kick the ball to when things get congested inside the paint.

Sana lang we can really train these home-bred and big young 'uns. We have local bigs, but they usually move as fast as a rock and their footwork are non-existent with stamina that's good for a few up and down the court running.

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Re: RP Basketball...The Road Back To World Championship 2010

Post by FloydSteven on Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:24 am

If Asi is really too old to play center for our National Team, then besides Japeth Aguilar, the only other player who would somehow qualify for center is Yancy De Ocampo and its just because we don't have a choice not really because he deserves it.

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Re: RP Basketball...The Road Back To World Championship 2010

Post by rafer on Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:51 am

i do not think we can beat China -- lalo na some of their players have played or are playing in the NBA like Yao, Wang Zhu Zhu and now si Li Wei yata yung nasa Lakers na yata ngayon

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Re: RP Basketball...The Road Back To World Championship 2010

Post by brandon on Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:10 am

ITs official Yeng Guiao name as RP head Coach good luck coach Tough task ahead

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Re: RP Basketball...The Road Back To World Championship 2010

Post by FloydSteven on Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:27 am

He might include a couple of red bull guys to the team. That means Pennisi and Baguio

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Post by brandon on Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:12 am

Naturalization is the key said RP Head Coach Yeng Guiao"Realistically, it's a difficult task. I think we have the talent to compete but one thing that concerns me is our size. We can't grow our players in one year’s time. The best way to address this concern is to naturalize. We can have a Serbian or Phil Jackson as a coach but if we're to play a seven-footer and defend him with a 6-foot-5, that's a Herculian task," said Guiao.

"Naturalization is acceptable. If we're to compete, we have to follow that norm. All we need is one or two big guys. We have the talents in all positions. We just have to match up at center position," he added.

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Post by Canned Thoughts on Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:17 am

No good. Yeng's a good coach, but I think we're past having a local coach handle our team. That Serbian coach would've been a great pick as a head coach with his international experience. Makes me wish Ron Jacobs had a second go at our National team.

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Post by FloydSteven on Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:00 am

i just read from the papers this morning that former Iran NT coach Reijko Toroman is here taking a look at our young talents. he already watched some UAAP and NCAA games. it was said in the article that its possible that he could be the national team coach or maybe part of the staff. he specifically mentioned players such as Arvy Bringas of the NCAA juniors and Kelvin De La Pena of the PBL who according to him, have a lot of potential and must be exposed to Internatioal competition as early as today, in order to further improve their skills

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Post by brandon on Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:51 am

kung si yeng guiao ang coach ng RP team bakit nila kinuha si yun former coach ng iran na si Toroman sino i coach nya anu dalawa sila coach ni yeng lol!

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Post by FloydSteven on Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:00 am

I think Toroman will be in charge of the long-term development of our young players. I'm not sure of this but i think he already signed a 3 year contract with the SBP regarding this. Yeng Guiao on the other hand would be in charge of forming and coaching Team Pilipinas in the coming International competitions, that means the next FIBA qualifying tournament or maybe the Jones cup.

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Post by thonetteski on Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:47 pm

personally, i don't think yeng is fit to coach the rp team that aims to regain philippine glory days in basketball.... what we need, as for me, is a coach that would be highly dedicated in forming a highly formidable team... like what the team USA is doing....

and we all know what happen to chot's stint in the rp team... my piece of cent....

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Re: RP Basketball...The Road Back To World Championship 2010

Post by brandon on Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:30 am

mukha may problema pag hire kay Toroman ayaw ng BCAP sa kanya and my court ruling na bawal mag hire ng foreign coach komento pa ni coach yeng guiao ng RP and red bull na money "misspent" kay toroman hanap na lang daw nila(SBP) ng dalawa 7 footers na serbian na pwede i naturalized

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Post by FloydSteven on Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:41 am

Sayang naman. I'm still in favor of a foreign coach rather than a Pinoy coach. Dapat mas matutunan ng mga players natin ang European style of play kesa sa American. Our players do not have superior individual talent like the Americans.

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Post by acousticevents on Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:03 pm

it would be a big help if we can send players to play in the european league.

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Post by jeter08 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:31 am

kahit maglaro pa sa europe mga players natin kulang pa din tayo sa height we need 2 7 footers i agree with coach yeng guiao

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Post by FloydSteven on Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:52 am

I read in the papers today, may isang african player ang papalit kay Sam Ekwe ng San Beda. His name is Sudan Daniel. Almost just the same as Ekwe in terms of height and talent. Maybe we could naturalize these two guys and include them in our National team.

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Post by brandon on Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:16 pm

thats sudan daniels that you mention stand only 6'8 i think below seven feet that coach yeng mention that we need thats a waste of money for me if we naturalized the guy filipinos can fill that spot

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